Why I'm thinking of resigning as Scoutmaster and why it may be a good thing. Yes you read that right. The man who for the past almost 8 years who has bled khaki, is thinking about hanging up the expedition hat. This weekend at our campout I told my Scouts that if things continued as is I was resigning as Scoutmaster and would help anyone interested to find another Troop. For at least six months now we've been having a problem within the troop of repeated infighting. For the most part it's been arguing or bickering and on occasion physical, though never to all out fisticuffs. At the center of the conflict, two patrol mates that a few years back were best friends but unfortunately no longer so. The other patrol members that are usually in attendance aren't much better and if not direct contributors are often guilty of adding fuel to the fire. If I had to sum it up I'd say that it's really a lack of respect for each other. I don't mean to paint these Scouts as bad young men. They all have good hearts and their Scoutcraft skills are strong, each having one if not more skills that they excel in. But when it comes down to intra-patrol relations they are all failing. We are a small troop - barely 8 strong and of those only half are regular attendees whether at meetings or monthly campouts. I cannot separate them to different patrols to put a healthy edge on the competition as there are barely enough to run one patrol to begin with. At least half a dozen meetings have been interrupted by the fighting amongst the Scouts. At summer camp things came to a head with one Scout expressing thoughts so negative I had no recourse but to advise his parents that counseling at a level of experience much higher than I could provide may be in order. We've sat down a number of times to talk through their conflicts. It seems to help and on a number of occasions and their parents have said things along the lines of "I don't know what you said to them but it seems to have made a big difference" - unfortunately that doesn't seem to stick. At this past weekend's campout things erupted once again and I brought the Scouts together and told them that if things continued like this I was going to step down as Scoutmaster. It's not fair to the adults who give up their weekends to have to act as referees every time we get together. It isn't fair to the other Scouts that every time they are together their adventures have to be interrupted with these "counseling sessions." Every once in a while I could see, but not nearly every time we get together. I told the Scouts to gather their chairs and bring them to a section of the campsite outside my view and hearing. I told them they needed to do some soul searching and decide what they wanted to do as far as the future of the troop. They need to work together peacefully and as a team and have a way to work out their conflicts when they inevitably occur. If that wasn't something they could all agree to do and do consistently then I would be calling the head of our chartering organization and telling him that I was done. In February there should be another group of Scouts crossing into the troop. The behavior they've been demonstrating is not how they should be setting the example for the new Scouts. How could they expect to lead a new group when they can't work together amongst themselves without constant fighting. There's a good chance that my stepping down could mean the folding of the troop. It's up to the CO if they would replace me, but I know any of the few active adults in the troop aren't looking to step into the position. Another parent who's been with me on most of the outings agrees that this unhealthy quarreling has gone on far too long. And while the Scouts are respected and appreciated by the community (primarily from the different civics organizations we've served in the town), the town parents fail to see the value of Scouting and are more concerned with the .00001% chance that their child may have a future as a professional athlete. It's their choice to make. Very few I expect will understand that I am looking at leaving Scouting because I love it so much. What would this mean for my own son? I would gladly (and very strongly encourage) him to join another troop. At first I thought I would at least join the committee of whatever troop he chose but I'm not sure about that either the more I think about it. For eight years now he's lived with his Scout leader. While I've tried to keep a balance between my role as his father and his Scout leader, that line has always been blurry. I will support him in his Scouting as his parent in whatever ways he needs, but maybe it's time that he get more of the independence that scouting fosters and to step out from the protection of his father being a part of every scout experience. We can always camp together in leisure and focus on OUR time together without Scouts being a factor. As far as my own involvement in Scouting that's still to be determined. I'm looking more and more to taking a lesser role. Anyone who's been following the blog knows that my involvement with ShelterBox has been becoming more and more of my focus. While the details haven't been determined yet I was recently asked to be part of a national committee to foster the relationship between Scouts and ShelterBox. Being a full-time volunteer for both organizations is taking more time than I have to give. It's taking more and more time away from my family, and considering that neither org involves a salary, there's my day job to be considered as well. I think I would still like to stay on as a merit badge counselor, likely for Emergency Preparedness and Wilderness Survival if accepted by our District. As of right now I haven't made a decision 100%. We'll see how things go over the next week or so. Other than my ASM who was with me on the campout I haven't shared my thoughts with any of the other parents yet (though some I believe do read the blog from time to time). A conversation with the District Director and our CO is in order as well depending on how things go. I believe in Scouting and what it has to offer young men and women. That's why it's so important to me that these boys, my son especially, have the environment where they can take advantage of all it has to offer. Providence has brought me this far. I believe that God has a plan for each one of us and maybe this is his way of pointing me to a new path. So continues the Scouter's Journey… Your comments are appreciated.
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Steve B
August 22, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Wow. I could have almost wrote this post myself. Our troop is also small, only 9 members, and has been having problems of its own. I was thinking about hanging it up at the end of the year (after 30 years as scoutmaster). Like your situation, I have a feeling if I step down the troop may be done since there appears to be no one to step into the role. I am going to make a decision by the September committee meeting.
I understand your situation. Good luck with whatever decision you make.
Bryan Spellman (@bryanspellman)
August 22, 2011 at 12:22 pm
I completely understand your feelings. It would be very sad to see a Troop fold (yours too Steve) and wonder if the district might be able to help out?
What was the outcome of their meeting at camp? Can you remove one of the ‘issue kids’. I think Scouting is for all but at some point for the good of the Troop, maybe one of them needs to stay home for awhile. I’ve never suspended a Scout from activities but this sounds like it might help?
good luck, email if you need anything.
Charles Johnstone
August 22, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Well, I have to take some issue with your methods. Why in the world would you lay your career as a Scoutmaster at the feet of the youth? I understand that you have a discipline problem, BUT you need to deal with the discipline problem without threatening to resign as SM. The boys do not deserve the burdon of being the cause of your leaving.
Deal with the troublemakers directly, and if your methods proove unsuccessful, escalate the problem to the CC for resolution (it’s the Committee’s responsibility to deal with discipline issues, after all). I would not hesitate to ask the scouts to take a time-out from scouting to resolve their differences or leave for good (handing them a list of troops in the area, of course) The rest of the troop is bing affected in some way by these scouts, and it’s been my experience that these types of things infect the other scouts as well.
Also, I’d take a sober look at what you feel is the best course of action for your family with regard to continuing on as scoutmaster. I hear your comments about wondering what is best for your son and can empathize. I too am a scoutmaster with two sons in my troop. They are held to a higher level of responsibility and must be 100% all the time. I have often wondered how my being SM affects their experience. I am not sure, but I feel that your decision is driven more by this than by the distration of the troubmakers.
Regardless of what it does to the existing troop, I feel that you have an obligation to do right by your family first. It sounds as though there are at least 7 or 8 other parents who could step up if you exited. If the troop folds, then you were only 1/8th of the problem. I know that sounds harsh, but maybe it’s time for others to step up and help in a larger capacity.
In any event, I sincerely wish you well, and hope that you find a way forward through this. Scouting is meant to be fun and fulfilling for the scouts AND for the volunteers. When it ceases to be both for both parties, it’s time to move on.
Charles Johnstone
Clarke Green
August 22, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Hey Doug
Years ago we had a problem with a Troop Committee Chair who went rogue and got at odds with the rest of the adult volunteers. He was my friend and I didn’t want to face the fact that he was the problem.
Finally someone sat me down and said “If you have cancer the doctors remove the cancer by any means possible if they can. If you die, well they tried, but it can also cure the cancer. You never cure it by ignoring it or feeding it or reasoning with it – you get rid of it.”
The TCC was gone in a matter of days and we never looked back. Painful? Yes, but it had to be done.
As good as they may be in some ways these Scouts have had plenty of opportunities to fix the situation. You aren’t causing the problem – they are and as harsh as it may seem it’s time for them to go – not you.
You’ve explained the problem, counseled around it and made every good-faith effort to resolve it. Time to say that they can find another Troop or whatever they decide to do. You will not put up with their fighting any longer – full stop.
It may be the best thing you can do for these boys and their families.
CAG
Scoutmaster Shawn
August 22, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Wow, I am at a loss…I didn’t realize that you are in the same boat that I was a couple months ago…
Is it worth it? Where can I find a home for the scouts? Is the CO going to be upset? …these are all questions that I asked of myself.
The infighting that you are experiencing is natural for young boys. Along the lines of “been there, done that, got the t-shirt”, I know what you are going through. I had the same thing happen at summer camp and doubted whether we should keep mudding our way through it.
The doubts that you have about some of the boys in the troop are legitimate…those boys need scouting, but with the “my son is going pro” mentality, it can be hard to overcome. Show up to their events, support them at the stuff that they embrace. If you care about the things that they do outside of scouting, they may take a greater liking to what you are doing with scouting.
Once again…they are young. You have given them a bit of empowerment and are trying to teach them the right and wrong things to do when it comes to being a leader.
You have 8, with 50% participation…next year, you may have 12, with 50% participation…that’s for the good, and you are still impacting 6 lives that didn’t have as much direction as they did before.
Don’t toss in the towel yet…those who come to the events are there because they have faith in you and what you are doing. The sqwabbling that they do is all a part of growing up. Stay the course…you have heard me say it time and time again…if you think that you can’t save the ones you have now, what about the ones you will never have to opportunity to save later?
Scouter Doug
August 22, 2011 at 1:27 pm
I really do appreciate everyone’s feedback. We have 8 scouts on paper at present. Of those there are 4 that participate regularly and it’s within those 4 that the “problem” has been. If we remove the 2 that are fighting most often then we’ve got 2 boys left who are then waiting for the next group to cross in. That’s how my son spent his first year in the Troop but we hung in hoping that the new crossovers would get the patrol going.
As far as Committee (or Chair) that’s basically just on paper as well. In reality I’ve been filling both those roles. In the past everything was run by the Scoutmaster and the committee were present basically to maintain the required number of adults and to serve as MBC’s for a few badges, (other than our treasurer who is still actively involved.) This year I recruited a few of the new scouts parents and they have signed up and are doing what they can. They’re all the parents of the 3, not counting my son. So if we lose (even temporarily) 2 or more Scouts we’ll be losing the same as far as committee. Not much left.
The bright side, if you could call it that, is that some of the parents do visit the blog on occasion and have already seen this post. So everything from my end at least is now in the open to all, Scouts and parents alike.
CY
August 22, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Can’t relate nor can I imagine how you find the time for all that you do, but good luck in your decision. Am in agreement that God has a plan for each of us and will provide so long as we step forth and not let the opportunities He provides pass us by.
John Gormly (@johngormly)
August 23, 2011 at 7:32 am
We had a similar situation several months ago. I realize the troop is small, but I like the suggestion of suspension from outings. That’s what we had to do. We didn’t want to, but we counseled the boys and it failed. We then went to the parents for strike two and told the parents that if the behavior continues, they will be temporarily suspended. On strike three, we suspended for 30 days (one was even suspended from summer camp). The other boys saw that, we explained what was happening and why so that they understood the consequences. The issues have not resurfaced since and it was early July. We appointed one adult to as the “watcher”, and rotated that job so that there was closer adult supervision (still boy led, but more watching).
I know you are saying it’s two, but one always starts. Work with the boy that instigates. You are on the right track to talk to them all because they throw fuel on the fire but I would start with the boy that instigates.
As Shawn states, they are young boys, still trying to figure out appropriate conduct. They don’t have to be friends as much as we would like them all to be, but we expect courtesy and friendly regardless. I would not throw the towel in yet.
blackwatertown
August 29, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Tough situation. Lots of good advice in the comments.
It may be that it’s time for you to step back for a while and for others to step up. If they will not, perhaps the troop should go on pause.
It would be a shame for your own son to miss out though, so joining abother troop and you supporting (though perhaps not leading) it, could be the answer.
Scout leaders and the leaders of the other allied uniformed organisations deserve support and applause form parents and the wider community for investing in children and helping to shape society in a positive way.